Thompson Center Handguns Sponsored by Ed's TCs, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. 218 Mashbrn Bee 221 Fireball 222 Rem 222 Rem Mag 22 PPC EABCO 223 Remington 223 Rem Wylde 5.56 NATO 223 Rem Ackly Imp 219 Donaldson Wasp 224 Valkyrie 224 BR Mag- BRM 225 Win 6mm PPC EABCO 6 Donaldson Wasp 6 BR Mag (BRM) 25-20 Win 25-35 Win 25-35 Win Ack Imp 6.5 US (Ult Silh) 264 LBC- AR 6.5 BRM 6.8 Rem SPC 7 TCU 7 US (Ult Silh) 7-30 Waters Among our own manufacturers Cooper Firearms of Montana still produces the Triple Deuce in several models, and there are many used Winchester, Savage, Browning and Ruger rifles chambered for the little gem. A mere mention of the .22 Hornet, .219 Zipper, .220 Swift, .17 Mach IV, .221 Fireball or .219 Wasp brought visions of fast bullets, flat trajectories and memorable days spent in fields full of targets. On the dogs inside of 200 yards, I could definitely see the hit, whereas the .223 had a bit more recoil; it was just enough to preclude a full view of the red mist. .17 Remington Fireball next to its parent case, the .221 Remington Fireball. L-R: 40 gr Hornady V-Max, 55 gr Sierra BlitzKing, .221 Remington Fireball, .22 LR Remington Golden Bullet. $19.00/100 new brass, $9.00/100 bullets, 11 grains of powder and a small rifle primer doesn't seem anymore expensive that anything else and cheaper than most. The bullet was designed for lever actions rifles by lowering (at least to my old fingers). Remington dropped it from production several years ago, and Winchester makes only an occasional production run of ammo and unprimed cases. I don't remember it ever shooting over an 1". vs. .300 Win. When all is said and done, H110 and W296 - along VihtaVuori N120 - offer the best combination of bulk density and burn rate available for bullets weighing from 30 to 45 grains in the .218 Bee. When it comes to choosing powders for .218 Bee handloads, IMR-4227 has long been a popular choice, and H4227 works equally well. If you dont know the 221 Fireball, dont feel left out. Remingtons official version of the Mach IV is slightly longer in most dimensions but performance is basically the same. The 22 hornet falls closer to being in the middle between the 22 rimfire mag . I like the K-hornet I have, but LOVE the fireball. The .218 Bee was designed in 1938 by manufacturer Winchester and is based off the .32-20 Winchester cartridge. As for that 221 designation, its neither fish nor foul. Someone just shapes a tube of brass, sticks a bullet atop it, chambers a rifle for it and there you go. Makes no sense but gives us plenty to talk about. The 20 VarTarg (VARmint/TARGet) is another 20-Caliber cartridge designed by Todd Kindler for varmint hunting. T/C break-action pistols have probably fired more 221 Fireballs rounds than any other, but they were still five years away when Remington released its bolt-action XP-100. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. Red Oak, White, or Chestnut for Deer Herd? Get a closer look at the Davidson's Weatherby Vanguard Cipher, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. Easiest to understand is the 17 Fireball and/or 17 Mach IV, so called because it could push a 20-grain bullet about 4,200 fps, nearly 4 times the speed of sound. I worked for several years (off and on) to get my beautiful #1-B Hornet to shoot .900" groups (5 shots at 100 yards). Zero 1.8 inches high at 100 yards and the 50-grain projectile peaks 2 inches high at about 135 yards, falls 2 inches below POA at about 235 yards. Got a Ruger #3 in Hornet. VarmintGuy. 2,708 ft/s (46 gr), and 2,654 ft/s (50 gr). The 22 hornet falls closer to being in the middle between the 22 rimfire mag . While production of XP-100 pistols chambered in .221 Fireball was eventually canceled after 1985,[3] Thompson Center Arms produced various single-shot pistols chambered for the .221 Fireball as part of their Contender and Encore models. All Rights Reserved, Borden's 7mm Rem. Just to illustrate how accurate a target-grade .222 can be, the cartridge has the unique distinction of shooting the only 0.0000 five-shot group, fired in September 1973 by Mac McMillan; it was registered as a true one-hole group, though would later be judged as a 0.0009 group, and would be unseated in 2013. Short and sweet. New Win. To take advantage of the 221 Fireballs short length, it should be chambered in as short a bolt-action rifle as possible. J.D. Rifles chambered for the .221 Fireball include the Remington 700 and the Ceska zbrojovka CZ 527. In addition to being outstanding in the 300 Blackout, it performs well in many smaller capacity cartridges such as the 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball and many more. A whole lot of necking (not the kind we did in high school,) stretching, shortening and lengthening. The .218 Bee came along in 1937, at the height of the Great Depression, released in Winchester Model 65 lever gun. The first Kimber was sent back and rebored by them to a K-Hornet. I once shot a 221 Fireball on a Texas hunt. They are QUIET, fun old guns for shooting ground squirrels. Despite its smaller size, the .221 Fireball is capable of velocities nearly equal to that of the .222 Remington largely due to its higher SAAMI pressure. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); .357 Magnum, .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO), 6mm Remington, 7x64mm Brenneke, .223 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM), 7.21mm (.284) Lazzeroni Firebird, 7.62x39mm Russian, .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM), .405 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, 8x57mm Mauser JS, 6.8mm Remington SPC, .480 Ruger, .270 Winchester, .225 Winchester. I hope to try the 32-20 as well, though I think they are even harder to find and they bring . Gold $$ Contributor. Any difference in the two IS minimal. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. With a heavy enough rifle you can see your hits. The major limiting factor of the .222 Remington is not its case capacity, which is less than that of the .223 Remington, but the twist rate of the barrels provided for the cartridge. PHoto of break action T/C pistol with, a popular gun for the 221 Fireball. [2] A shortened version of the .222 Remington, it is popular as a varmint and small predator round while also finding use among target shooters. Mag. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Although one piece of jacket broke free and the lead core sat loosely in the jacket, all were lodged together against the offside hide. Muzzle blast was judged excessive too. The 308 Winchester essentially a shortened 30-06 was necked down to make the 7mm-08 Remington, 260 Remington and 243 Winchester. Radial vs. Directional Muzzle Brakes: Which Is Best? The 30-06, as most of us know, was rearranged to become the 270 Winchester, 280 Remington, 25-06 Remington, 338-06, 35 Whelen and others. 1 has been chambered in both cartridges at one time or another. Binder, if they still make factory ammo for the 221 Fireball I stand corrected, as for velocity my Sierra second addition list the fastest load for a 50 grain bullet from the 221 at 2550 fps. If you screw up and head space a bottle neck case too short it is true that it will seat on the rim and probably fire, but this is certainly detrimental to accuracy and case life. Back in 1986, the original Kimber of Oregon did a limited run of Model 82 rifles in .218 Bee, and also offered an improved version called the .218 Mashburn Bee. 32 H&R Magnum. I got the accuracy but it's still a lot louder than a 22 mag but noticable less loud than my 223's. 10mm Auto. Why would you want to shoot .221 fireball when .223 is so available, inexpensive and has very close to the same power ? These are handload-only chambers and will NOT accept once-fired and/or remanufactured brass. Attempting to neck it down in one step usually results in a collapsed case. Mag. The Model 43 was a nice little rifle and often described as the poor man's Model 70, but those I owned in .22 Hornet and .218 Bee years ago were nowhere near as accurate as my Winchester models 54 and 70 in .22 Hornet. With powders like Lil gun and AA1680 a .221 steps right into the land of the .222 in a rifle length. The 221 is close to being like the .223 that I already own . of Israeli Defense Forces, joins David Fortier for an exclusive interview for Shotgun News. ammo is about 75cents /round and that can get a little spendy. Ive also noticed and this may be limited to my own experiences that a .222 Remington in a sporter-weight barrel will maintain that fantastic accuracy, the kind youd only expect from a target or bull barreled .223 Remington or .22-250. Subscriber Services. It's what the hornet should have been . But so what? Mag. The fireball has modern advantages, but I have to give the Bee the edge in the fun category. Its leaves a lil bitty pin hole thru the fur. Id hate to see either fade away completely, but in this competition Ill have to give the nod to the older .22 Hornet. Winchester cartridge. But unless you intend to handload, the Hornet makes more sense, simply for the availability and range of factory loads. Another cartridge capable of reaching across the back 40 and stinging a varmint is the .218 Bee. That the 221 Fireball ever made it into this world is unusual. Mag. Both cartridges are easy on the ears and have very little recoil, yet are effective for any of the smaller species for which these are suited. Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. If ammo and case production should cease, you'll have to neck down .25-20 or .32-20 cases. 12-14-2008 11:16 AM. The 221 Fireball, left, sprang from the 222 Remington(center,) before itself giving birth to the 17 Fireball. According to the Winchester ballistic tables, the trajectory of that load looks like this: +1.5" at 100 yards, 0 at 150 yards, and -4.2" at 200 yards. The 218 Bee, 219 Donaldson Wasp, 225 Winchester, 220 Swift They all take .224" bullets. is One Gun To Rule Them All, New 270 Cartridges Challenge 6.5s and 7mms. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 RPM What You Need to Know, Savage Impulse Big Game Straight-Pull Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, 10 Best 6.5mm Rifle Cartridges Available Right Now, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. I hunt predators for their furso that means that i need to shoot a smaller caliber. Thats fast enough for a point blank range of about 235 yards on a 4-inch target. 20VarTarg said: Just as the title states. In that class,you neglected 1 of the best lil cartridges I've ever used-the .22 K hornet. The .22Hornet, .218 Bee and .22 Jet have minimum taper or shoulders, whether one would would call then straight or not. The .218 Bee bullet was designed for varmint hunting back in 1938, but lacked popularity when it But if you're curious More inquisitive shooters scratch their heads, notice a few similarities in body shape or head size, snoop around a bit, and learn some fascinating details about the fabrication (some might say bastardization) of one cartridge from another. $19.00/100 new brass, $9.00/100 bullets, 11 grains of powder and a small rifle primer doesn't seem anymore expensive that anything else and cheaper than most. For starters, it is a bit faster, which gives it a longer effective range. Velocities shown represent five or more rounds clocked 12 feet from the muzzle of a Marlin Model 1894CL with a 20-inch barrel (lever-action rifle loads) and a Sako L46 with a 24-inch barrel. The break-action Thompson Contender handgun was still five years in the future. NO!! It ain't going to happen if you resize your cases properly. I don't shoot my .221 for groups but it takes out prairie dogs at 300 yds. With a 45-grain bullet, the Bee will give another 100 fps over the Hornet, with factory loads driving a 45-grain to 2750 fps. Remington sure captured the cutting edge of fashion with its original XP-100 in 221 Fireball. Like the 6PPC, it has the optimal bore to case capacity ratio for max efficiency. The .221 fireball and the .20 VarTarg are good options as well. Modern powders have increased the muzzle velocity of the .22 Hornet, and many manufacturers have seen fit to use the lighter 30- and 35-grain bullets to boost velocities further. Fireball. NOPE. It saddens me to say this, but the future of the .218 Bee is looking less than bright. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Despite the 1 in its title, the 221 Fireball shoots the same .224 bullets as all other modern 22-caliber centerfires. We show you how. The .218 Bee is another small round that won't be loud. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. Perhaps the most popular platform over the years has been the Thompson Center Contender. This cartridge is based on the 221 Fireball case and is probably the most efficient of the 20-Caliber cartridges. The 221 fireball is more powerful and accurate than the 22 hornet . The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. Help for product 90451 . Not too many other rifles have been available in .218 Bee. entered the market during 1939, and never gained any traction compared to others such as the .22 regards, graycg All Rights Reserved. With its bolt handle well behind its pistol grip, a brown nylon stock (Remingtons nylon stocked 22 rimfires were popular at this time,) and a 10-3/4 barrel, the XP-100 looked like a kids fevered vision of a 1950s SciFi ray gun. Its leaves a lil bitty pin hole thru the fur. Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Introduced in 1944, it was also offered in .22 Hornet, .25-20 and .32-20. Yes,the 221 shoots faster and flatter.But it defeats the purpose of what origanaly drew me (and many others)to the Hornet-superior ballistics compared to rimfires,but still being very quiet. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The poorly understood 221 Fireball is stuck in the middle, shaded by family members exponentially more popular. I've shot them both, the 221 at med range works fine on coyote, bobcat and fox. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. 17 Rem. I've got a pile of Hornets and a 221 as well as a K-Hornet and 218 Bee and 222s. This is set up for the 6.5 Grendel. I'm one who definately prefers rimmed cases in Contender/Encores. with minimal expense. Re: 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 220 Hornet. It is also the basis for other cartridges in J.D. The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. Who could ignore a new varmint cartridge with a scintillating title like Fireball? Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. for the .222 Remington. The .221 Fireball has been used by wildcatters to create a small efficient .17 caliber cartridge. More surprising was the 80-pound feral hog that fell to the little 50-grain AccuTip. Bullets heavier than 45 grains can be used, but most rifles in .218 Bee have barrels with a rifling twist rate of 1:16 inches, which can be too slow to stabilize them in flight. It's what the hornet should have been designed in the 1st place instead of simply loading the old winchester centerfire blackpowder cartridge with smokeless powder and calling it the hornet. Neither the 222 or 223 accurately reflect bullet diameter, either. This cartridge is reported to have a very flat trajectory and to be relatively quiet with low recoil. Though there had been another cartridge in the 1890s known as the Hornet, it was dimensionally different from the 1930 variant. Your Price: $394.00 Part Number: 122-ABCON Availability: Made to Order Sale: Does not qualify for promotions Feature: Must Ship Signature Required Addtnl $7 NOTE: Made to Order- Please allow 9 months *Total Payment Required Select Option for Availability Select Caliber * Select Barrel Contour * Select Finish * Barrel Length * Select Twist Rate WHich is the best round? * Custom barrels chambered in 30-221/300 Blackout are designed and built to minimum chamber specs. Wind deflection increases just a quarter inch at 250 yards. Check out this story from contributor Mike Roux, for an excellent and educational anecdote highlighting the importance of a full quiver of calls. Does this not look like something out of a 1950s SciFi outerspace flick? Any downfalls to either for yotes, fox, cats and GRound hogs. Thats a pretty powerful design. vs. .340 Wby. Never had any problems loading for it and it was a great shooter. ME is 1000-1200 ft. lbs. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Even the 5.7x28 would work well on small game, and it should move along pretty decent as well considering it will clock 2350fps from a pistol with 28gr bullets. They include the 46-grain flatnose from Speer and three bullets of roundnose form: the 45-grain Hornet bullets from Nosler and Sierra and Sierra's 40-grain Hornet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For some reason the 22 centerfire world is rife with inaccurate numerical titles. Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will. Hornet and Bee are much smaller, not as loud but you will still need hearing protection. Mag. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. The drawback for the .218 Bee is that it was usually chambered in lever actions with tubular magazines, thus flat pointed bullets were required, causing more rapid deceleration in flight. with resounding authority. Here's hoping the .218 Bee will continue to buzz over the varmint fields for many years to come. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. The ballistic performance based off the 35, 40, 46, and 50 grain are 3,205 ft/s (35 gr), 3,130 ft/s (40 gr), 2,708 ft/s (46 gr), and 2,654 ft/s (50 gr). The .22 Hornet is the older of the pair, being released commercially in 1930. I called Virgin Valley a few years ago and ask the same question. Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? Only one factory load was offered: a 46-grain hollowpoint at 2,860 fps. I am new to Contenders and I have not completed or shot my Contender Pistol project yet. The 218 Bee, 219 Donaldson Wasp, 225 Winchester, 220 Swift They all take .224 bullets. The .221 Fireball produces the highest velocity of any commercial pistol cartridge.[4]. There are a fair amount of factory loads on the market for the .222 Remington, including both the major manufacturers as well as boutique companies. There are plenty of used Remingtons on the market, as well as new Steyr, Sauer, Sako and Tikka rifles representing the European manufacturers. Winchester's .218 Bee factory load uses a 46 grain hollow point bullet at a MV of 2760 fps and muzzle energy of 778 ft. lbs. The Bee is slightly shorter, but definitely fatter, than the Hornet. Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis were as all shook up as rock-and-roll had gotten. It has a rim diameter of 0.350 inches, a case length of 1.403 inches, and a slight 5-degree, 38-minute shoulder which culminates in neck measuring 0.386 inches, giving all the neck tension youd want. MV's with 50 grain bullets run about 3000-3300 fps. All are much smaller than the 22 velocity King, the long 220 Swift. Accuracy is important to me . Which of the two makes the better choice? The .222 enjoyed the accuracy crown from its release up until the early 1970s when the PPC burst onto the scene in the hands of Dr. Louis Palmisano, and accuracy was redefined. ????? Hornet is much more common. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. I've got the CZ in 221 Fireball and it's one of my most accurate rifles. That same manual list several 50 grain bullet loads for the 218 bee at 2600 fps and one 55 grain load also at 2600 fps. You guys got me all juiced up . As it turned out, only a few Model 92s were chambered for the new cartridge, but it managed to find a permanent home in a variation of the Model 92 called the Model 65. Reply 12-14-2008, 11:16 AM # 2 stalkingbear Greg Warne sent me one of the first standard Bees, and I found it to be quite accurate. I don't really know but I hear the 218 bee is real expensive to shoot. It's just a personal taste. Do they shoot better?? I agree with Lone Star. Several blunt-nosed bullets are suitable when loading the .218 Bee for a lever-action rifle with tubular magazine. New Win. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. Most modern, centerfire cartridges stand on the shoulders of others. They initially wanted to chamber the XP-100 for their popular 222 Rem., but its pile of powder couldnt be completely burned in that short barrel. Mag..300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM.308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington.303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser.30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s.17 HMR vs. .17 WSM.450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express350 Legend vs. .35 Remington.280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. While we have went to great lengths to make sure that it's as accurate as possible this rendering should not be used to generate specs for casings. A bolt-action pistol? (HEAD) i love my 223 AI but im just wanting another rifle get what im sayin???? The Thompson/Center custom shop continues to offer the Bee in the Contender carbine, and as far as I know, that's about the size of it as rifles of current production go. Data I've come across about the .221 Fireball shot as a rifle show that that cartridge almost duplicates the standard .222 in possible velocities and bullet (weight preferences). I'm left handed so right handed bolt actions don't have any appeal to me at all. My first 22 centerfire and I think my overall third barrel was a 10" octagon Bee. Pistols just werent built with bolt-actions (although Winchester had a 22 rimfire prototype in 1902.). A shortened version of the .222 Remington, it is popular as a varmint and small predator round while also finding use among target shooters. Lighter loads like Federals Varmint & Predator 35-grain Tipped Varmint load, at 3000 fps, can be zeroed at 200 yards, striking 3.1 inches high at 100, but will drop off quickly after 200 yards. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Thats what were doing here. The .218 Bee was designed in 1938 by manufacturer Winchester and is based off the .32-20 The pig was dashing across a field about 150 yards away when the bullet struck just behind the shoulder, punched through the lungs, and lodged against the far side hide, looking like a perfectly mushroomed cup-and-core deer bullet, the expanded lead loose in the jacket. I shoot both in 10" barrels and my Bee shoots smaller groups.granted, I've shot it more and "tinkered" with different loads a little more. The .221 FB is a small step up power-wise, but both are better suited to a 10" barrel than the .223 IMO. Lee Precision Commercial Mold Handles fits Lee 6-Cavity Molds, also most other brands of single & do.. Hold into the wind. The barrel was darn near perfectly inletted in the forearm, free floating but not grossly so, and that set trigger right out of the box was really great - could probably get it to excellent with just the slightest amount of adjustment. In fact, the relatively mild report and virtual lack of recoil can be a wonderful diversion. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Don't know ? Fireball. That is what i ordered. Copyright GunData.org 2015 | Koenig Media, LLC | Links | Sitemap | Advertise. So they shortened the case, knocked about 5-grains capacity out of it, and came up with that memorable name. I am especially fond of the 30-grain Berger hollowpoint and the 40-grain BlitzKing, Ballistic Tip and V-Max bullets in this cartridge. Most rifles are equipped with a 1:14 twist rate, bullet weight usually tops out with the 55-grain bullets, with many rifles exhibit a preference for 40 and 45-grain bullets. How to Sight in a Scope - Step by Step Guide. Because of the lever-action tubular magazine, the Bee was loaded from its inception with round nosed bullets. The 218 bee is a fun little caliber, it's not real good on coyotes size animals, it well work though. For reduced loads in the 221 Fireball, reduce maximum load by two grains of powder from the 223. All rights reserved. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. This contributes to an efficient, uniform burn for potentially more consistent shot-to-shot velocity and resulting accuracy. Yes, for shots out past 350 yards, the .223 made things easier, but the challenge of reading the wind became much more important at the edge of the .222s effective range, and really sharpened the eye. The lighter bullets can be pushed considerably faster like Hornadys 35-grain NTX load at over 3,700 fps and work very well on lighter varmints. FN states it has a 200m range, and will penetrate a level 3 vest . It was necked up to make the 338 Federal and 358 Winchester. The 308 Winchester is a prime example of a cartridge case that has been modified to create many new cartridges. The .218 Bee is considered accurate up to 200 yards for varmints and 150 The 221 fireball is more powerful and accurate than the 22 hornet The 22 hornet has less report than the 221 fireball . Like the Winchester Model 43 and the Sako L46, the Kimber Model 82 allowed the use of pointed bullets in .218 Bee handloads, which improved its performance over factory ammunition. - PredatorMasters Forums Home About Admin ThePrey Techniques TechPage Reviews Sponsors Links Contact Photos Free Stuff PM Gear Moon & Weather Members Articles The Forums Scholarships Welcome to the Predator Masters Forums Be sure to visit the main Predator Master website at Predator Masters.Com Best choices in pointed bullets for use in bolt actions and single-shots are those weighing from 30 to 45 grains from Berger, Nosler, Sierra, Speer and Hornady. Roll your own using 35-grain bullets and ammo is cheap. .454 Casull, .44-40 Winchester, .38-40 Winchester, .32-20 Winchester, .25-20 Winchester, .218 Bee. I really wanted a Bee. On this same hunt which was centered around the release of the bolt action Sauer Model 100 we had rifles in both .222 Remington and .223 Remington. 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