by jwb47 Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:36 pm, Post Shooting with a suppressor increases backpressure and helps cycling alot too. H110 works extremely well with bullets from 110 to 150 grains. When suppressed, the 300 Blackout is relatively silent while still maintaining hard-hitting ability. If you look at the standard 55 grain .223 Remington at 3,240 feet per second, that yields 1,281.8 foot-pounds of muzzle energy and 3.16 foot-pounds of recoil energy. The load info for supersonic rounds was 16.5 grains of H Lil' Gun loaded to 2.15 oal. I have been using IMR-4227, which shot fairly well, functioned well (with Silencerco Hybrid 46), but I was getting a good amount of unburned powder in the receiver/bolt. I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. by widow Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:18 pm, Post The top features of this ammo are the quality components and the versatile hollow-point bullets. Recently when I wrote a review of the Daniel Defense DDM4v5 300 Blackout rifle, I mentioned that Id be doing a drill down series on different aspects of the 300 AAC Blackout. Is it precision for long range target shooting? In addition, she is also an outdoor writer and photographer, as well as a national seminar speaker. The best ammo will also fire safely and reliably. Don't be deceived by the low price, this product made our list for very good reason, the quality is impressive for the price. Along came the .300 AAC Blackout = the answer to my angst of scraping that brass! IMPORTANT: Please view the special notes by clicking here . By design, the cartridge case is identical to that at the .223 Remington, with the exception of being trimmed to a shorter length and reshaped to fit the .30 caliber bullet. This match-grade ammo is nothing, if not accurate. Even adapted a supersonic load using WC820 from the .30 carbine. Hornady's patented Flex Tip insert in the hollowpoint cavity helps to provide reliable expansion at low velocities. If it turned out to that CFE 223 could fill that role that would be the best of all worlds. This is going to be fun. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. JavaScript is disabled. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. and 8 lb. Residing in Cheney Washington, Jake Vibbert owns JC Steel targets Inc. and is a strong competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and the National Rifle League. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. The powder did not fully ignite and left a lot of crud in the barrel and chamber. The 410 shotshell has long been difficult to load due to shortcomings in powder fit, metering, and burning characteristics, but no longer. Each round features a proprietary 125-grain, Open Match Tip bullet. AK and 300BLK are pretty much identical at 16 with ~125gr projectiles. ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. First I dont know where or who sells 100 grain for Aks all mine are 123 grain and winchester is making a 140 hollow point! I'm still fuzzy on the ogive method but will not proceed until I'm clearly understanding it. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. This subsonic 300 Blackout ammo is designed for accuracy and performance. In her off time, Regina writes for many publications in both print and digital mediums, trains other shooters, and mentors several up-and-coming female competitors in the precision rifle discipline. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. This was based on real combat experience in which the standard 5.56x45mm NATO round did not provide sufficient knockdown power at the short ranges of urban combat. Brian spent three years in Spokane as a Zag until his baseball career was cut short by a tragic plane accident that took the lives of his parents and younger sister. A couple of dozen projectile weights ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. Lil' Gun is an advanced technology propellant designed for 410-bore shotshell reloaders. Hi . The 300 BLK is an interesting cartridge for the rifleman. In that time I have used it for both hunting and competition. of Copper Sulfate on hand. You might think that of course, you know what you need from your ammo, but a finer degree of detail can really help you zero in on the best option. If you don't mind paying a bit extra for top performing ammunition for your modern sporting rifle, this is an excellent option. Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post The top features of this ammunition are the affordability and the reliability. by skeetman77 Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:53 pm, Post Aguila is remarkable for the value for money they offer given their excellent reliability. 300 Blackout Reloading Data. Well I spent part of today priming 200+ 300BLK conversions with CCI 400 primers. Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. Keep your loads at least 100fps up or down sound speed and they will be more accurate . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. Accuracy is very good. Hi All! It shot the best group with the middle of the road powder load of 19.5 grains. 150 grain Fun with the 300 blackout. I just got in all of the components to start reloading 300blk with Lil gun and berry's plated 220gr bullets. Good luck! At a Glance: Our Top Picks for 300 Blackout Ammo. This is what AAC suggests on their site. Ah, too many picadillos for me! Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! Doh! The process is too much to go into here, but its not that big a deal. The idea of evaluating your personal shooting needs is a recurring theme when getting advice on ammo selection. The 410 shotshell has long been difficult to load due to shortcomings in powder fit, metering, and burning characteristics, but no longer. If you are sgooting jacketed you are hard pressed to find a better powder than Lil'Gun. Pair it with some subsonic ammo with a polymer tip or hollow point bullet. by phils3 Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:11 pm, Post Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. These are impressive full metal jacketed bullets loaded for subsonic performance. Love my 300blk its not perfect. Each bullet is tested for consistency in weight and quality. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Hornady fmj-bt, since they are relatively inexpensive. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. No part of the landscape, from pop cans to squirrels, was immune to a 10 round burst from a Ruger. One mag of testing should be enough to see if there is a problem. The muzzle velocity is 1050 fps and the muzzle energy is 465 foot-pounds. Working and enjoying the outdoors were just a normal part of day to day life. It shot the best group with the "middle of the road" powder load of 19.5 grains. You will want to take your ammo to the range to test the accuracy. Fiocchi uses precision-formed brass cases. To narrow things down, lets talk about ideal projectiles and powders. Always go with reputable manufacturers to avoid this problem. With 300 Blackout, you have options from low subsonic rounds to high-powered long distances ones. One major benefit of these cartridges is how cost effective they are for target practice or plinking. Their HP American Gunner line offers great versatility at standard velocities. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. Make a list of your expectations for your application. Rog. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. That being said, I don't plan on adding one to the rotation as I neither reload nor do I own a can until they can be had sans stamp. If you do a rough comparison of muzzle energy of the 300 AAC Blackout to the 7.6239 (AK-47) round, youll see a slight edge to the AK with a 100 grain bullet. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. These rounds are designed to fire and cycle smoothly through suppressed modern sporting rifles. That opinion being said is there any reason that loading data for the 300 BO can not be used and worked up on the 7.6239? I never had a problem with it in two 16" barrels with carbine gas systems using 110-130 grain bullets. Although this ammo is not manufactured in the U.S.A. but just south of the border, don't fret, Mexico knows what it's doing with guns and ammunition. The desire to know, when, how, and if he should take these shots along with an unquenched thirst for competition, lead Brian to shoot precision rifle events. The powder used in these rounds burns cleanly and the primers are reliable. Finally cant find 300Ac or afford it. My results are as much as 700fps slower than the books say they should be. The ballistic coefficient is .290 and the sectional density is .166. In the time that they have been in operation, they have adopted some of the most cutting-edge manufacturing techniques. With Sig Sauer, you know that the attention to quality and precision can't be beaten. I am currently working on a subsonic load for a 300 blackout. You are correct, they are essentially the same and I got it in a trade along with 2#s of IMR3031 for 223 loading. The latter are more suited to long range shooting and hunting. Ive only recently started tinkering with 300 Blackout loads and have already loaded and tested over 40 different projectile, powder and charge combinations, and Im just getting started. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. tgilbert851@gmail.com. He is also the past Editor of Blackpowder Guns and Hunting Magazine. The 16.5 grains of H110 at 16.5 is moderate. He apparently did get physics and he really likes guns. For now, lets just look at bullet drop. . A forum community dedicated to Sharpshooters and Sniper enthusiasts. All Rights Reserved. Have made 300 blk brass from once fired 5.56 stuff. I tried the 110 grain Sierra Varminter hollow point just for fun, but the short profile gave me feeding problems in a couple of loads. The projectile has a ballistic coefficient of 0.56. 245 grain lead RNFP IMR 4227 8.8 1,033 N/A When it comes to recoil energy, assuming youre using an 8 pound rifle, the Blackout hits you less with 4.3 foot-pounds compared to the AKs 6.34 foot-pounds. Some of the powders Ive used in both super and subsonic 300 AAC Blackout loads. If you want 300 blk to feed properly use this method; Mark your bullet ogive at .250 with a sharpie. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. I have some 125 grain sst and may try to work up to 22.5 grains with my bolt gun but I wont try with either of my gas guns. He is a four-time World Champion, 13-time National Champion, the only Triple Crown winner in Action Shooting Sports and has 600+ (and counting) local and regional shooting competitions. Any ideas what Im missing? You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. If you need a subsonic round from a company with a top reputation, you can't go wrong with these. 09-16-2021, 07:46 PM #2 badguybuster Boolit Buddy Join Date Oct 2013 Location West (By GOD) Virginia Posts 325 Lil'Gun is my super powder. I have loaded 38 spl with 5.4 grains with a 125g bullet. Since the 300 AAC Blackout uses a cut down case, the ribs will be supporting the bullet itself, so the projectile has to be consistent with the expected dimensions, else feeding reliability will suffer. The 125 grain Hornady SST offered flawless feeding and good accuracy with the loads tested so far. As long you know what you want the weight / velocity combination for, those work really well. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. Im not fortunate enough to be hog hunter so my primary motivation for a .300 Blackout would be for a subsonic suppressed round in a short barrel home defense role, something I have considered building myself just for the exercise. BUT you may find that YOUR firearm may love another bullet and powder combination as again, each firearm has its love/hate relationship with ammo. I use 1680 for subs in 300bo, but i use a 220gr bullet. I am a lil-gun junkie I use it for 300 blackout , 44 mag , 480 ruger , 458 socom and 50 beowulf . Red X arms (redxarms.com) has a complete A4 carbine length upper (minus the bolt carrier group and charging handle) (at the time it cost) for $390 including shipping! For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. Thought maybe it might work in the 300blk AR I put together, Has anyone tried it with cast bullets from 130 to 230 gr. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. It works perfectly on varmints and mid-sized game. Brian now competes in both the PRS and NRL Pro series. Projectile Powder Charge (grains) Average Velocity (feet per second) Group size, MOA 168 grain Sierra MatchKing Lil Gun 14.8 1,799 1.56 I am from the generation were we salvaged/recycled everything. by plant.one Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:47 pm, Post Then ballistic coefficient and velocity will be important. These mid-weight full metal jacketed bullets give you excellent supersonic performance. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. Thank you so much dryflash. I'm actually working with a wildcat 30 Herrett AR round now, which is the 30 Herret made from 6.8 SPC brass, to function in an AR15. Hodgons website only has the maximum load data with 8.4gr and a COAL of 2.26" for Sierra 220gr HPBT. So when it comes to looking at cartridge energy and recoil figures, I always rely on my friend Andrew Chamberlain. I was hoping to get 2600 fps from it. Designed Specifically to Give the Best Performance with AR-Style Rifles, Relatively Good Value for Money for a Match-Grade Bullet, A-Max Bullets are Jacketed, Tipped, and Cored for the Best Ballistic Coefficient, Remington Uses Advanced Manufacturing Methods to Guarantee Performance and Consistency. Loaded 13.3 gr 4227 and CCI 400 primers with 245 gr Missouri Bullet FP Hard Lead. Lbs,MAX Grains,MAX Velocity,Ft. I have Lil' Gun and Accurate 1680 on hand, and will start working from the minimum advertised charge and go down in .5 gr increments. smitters. These give you outstanding accuracy and only slight dispersion when they are suppressed. So far, all the factory subsonic ammo Ive tried, with the exception of Cooper Cartridge 245 grain lead bullets, runs fine in this particular carbine length rifle. right now Im elbow deep in 9mm trying to work up a match load that will work in my colt competition and beretta 92 for the up coming uspsa matches this spring. If youre a gun geek, get a copy! In many ways, it is the anti-rifle cartridge. If anything, average groups tightened up a bit, so I just left it on for all of the testing. I also don't bother with subsonics as I have no suppressor. Personal accountability rocks! NOTHING is more frustrating than rounds that WILL NOT allow the bolt carrier to go to battery! Hodgdon uses a 16" barrel for it's 300 Blackout velocity/pressure tests. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Like others, I have not put one factory round through it yet. this round and enjoyed your article. by 20X11 Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:25 am, Post They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. Even the loading process uses advanced technology for the highest precision. The initial cost makes them look less expensive BUT in the end, after having to buy a separate expander die (IMHO, you need an expander die as it makes placing the bullet into the case a no brainer) and crimp die (the seat dies was says it crimps but, IMHO, it doesnt do it very well), they cost as much as a Redding or RCBS die set. Anyone have issues? He brings both a passion for writing and a love of the outdoors to his published content.Aside from writing and the outdoors, Brian enjoys gardening, being a co-host on The Nostalgia Blast Podcast, and learning to code. Well, it starts here. Not only is this ammo accurate and reliable, but it also offers superior consistency for tighter groups without flyers. As this author has shown, achieving those MOA groups, so many brag of, even with a full length barrel is problematic in the 300 blk. This ammo expands upon the inherent reliability advantages of the 300 Blackout to offer excellent impact and accuracy. I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. Thanks for your input. LIL' GUN VS Acurate 1680 This contributes to a combination of both accuracy and terminal performance. [ Not Rocket Science ]. I shoot the 168 grain .308 out of 30-06 and 308 brass, so I was thinking about using 168 bullet in black out, any thoughts? In 300 blk I prefer Lil'Gun over H-110 for bullets over 135 grs. Tactical. Bullet Puller next. Having no suppresser, a whole lot of Sub sonic miss feeds. by BobinNC Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:42 pm, Post by rwilky78 Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:18 pm, Post Safety Warning for Berger 77 grain OTM Tactical Ammunition: Pressure Testing Update, Small Pistol Primers $76 per K - Free shipping @ $150, 556 green tips steel core 62 grain into three water jugs today, Turkish made Sterling 9mm 115 grain stuck in the chamber swollen brass around the bullet base, CMP releases surplus 1911 information, prices, Beretta M9 Hogue Cocobolo checkered grips, RS Regulate AK-300 Modular Upper Optic Mount (30mm), WTT Fender MIM Player Precision Bass Guitar, CZ P10S, OLight mini, HBI Theta Trigger in bag, Vedder LightTuck, LockLeather OWB Holster, 3 Hyve +3 extentions, 4 mags. I have mixed feelings about the Lee die set. Check out: http://www.gunbot.net and search .300aac or blackout and you will see a wide variety of different grain weights for sale. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. Having a solid base of knowledge and a firm grasp on your own shooting needs and requirements is important when shopping for any type of ammo and 300 Blackout is certainly no exception. Sig Sauer is one of those names in the firearms industry that you just can't argue with. "Wait. is that a pickle in your pocket, or are you just happy to. oh never mind". 200 yards -45.21 I love little gun for my mag revolver loads and now I have all the stuff to load for my 300 I will be using it for that. No problem. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. Another big benefit is how widely available they are. grains Primer: Federal Small Rifle Cartridge Overall Length: 2.18 inches Muzzle Velocity: 2,058 fps In supersonic. 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